INTERVIEWER
What about D.A.R.E.?
KLEIMAN
D.A.R.E. is a wonderful tool for police-community relations, particularly, in poor
neighborhoods. Getting poor kids to meet a police officer, and getting a
police officer to meet poor kids, on a civil, friendly basis, is a wonderful
thing to do. Police officers love it, and police departments love it, and
neighborhoods love it, and kids love it and parents love it and everybody
loves it.
What D.A.R.E. is not, is a complete drug prevention program. In fact, the
evaluations have been pretty, uniformly discouraging. It's very hard to see
any evidence that kids who go through D.A.R.E. are better off in terms of their
marijuana use, alcohol use, nicotine use, in middle school, than the non-D.A.R.E.
kids. One study just came out suggesting there may be some delayed sleeper
effect on the use of harder drugs--cocaine, heroin, inhalants. That may be
true. You want to see if that can be replicated.
So I think D.A.R.E. is a fine thing to do. I don't think D.A.R.E. is an adequate thing
to do in place of doing real drug education. I think we need a much more
comprehensive program and those programs are expensive--the ones that work. I
think there's a good argument for focusing less on drugs and doing more
education at younger ages. You don't really talk to second graders
about drugs, but you can talk to second graders about the problem of
impulsiveness. You can talk to second graders about their health, as something
that they want to maintain, and about a class of health-risk behaviors, that
threaten it.
So if you can get them in the mind-set of being good stewards of their own
bodies, then, later you can start talking about the details, about
illicit drugs, about alcohol, about nicotine, about sex, about inadequate
exercise, about bad eating habits, about all of the other things that are bad
for you. But, I think, given the lack of evidence that we really know how to
deliver effective drug education, I think we're going to start delivering a
broader health risk message younger, and see if that works.
There are good pilot programs, there are training programs you
could do for grade school teachers, intervening, not around drug use, but
around problem behavior, on kids who act out in class. And that kids whose
teachers have had that training are much less likely to start smoking when
they hit the sixth grade, than, kids whose teachers haven't had that
training.
Now if that's true, if you can replicate that experimentally, and here's the
harder problem, if you can replicate it at scale. If you can get it done by
first-grade teachers around the country, then you can maybe have a big
impact.
We need to make drug education less an ideological effort and more [of] a
practical effort. Right now, any drug education program that delivers strong
anti-drug messages is perfectly satisfactory to people who insist on anti-drug
education.
In fact, what you find from the media partnerships ads is they have very
little impact on the behavior of drug users. They strengthen the anti-drug
attitudes of non-users. Well, if you think about it, who designs them? Who
gets them on TV? Who pays for them? Who evaluates them? People who have strong
anti-drug attitudes! And so you can have a phenomenon of preaching very
successfully to the choir and missing the sinners.
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